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Why devs needn't fear CSS with the King of CSS himself Kevin Powell [Podcast #154]

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On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews Kevin Powell. He's a designer, a software engineer, and an expert in CSS. He's runs a CSS-focused YouTube channel with nearly a million subscribers. There's nothing sensational there – he literally just teaches people CSS.



Support for this podcast comes from a grant from Wix Studio. Wix Studio provides developers tools to rapidly build websites with everything out-of-the-box, then extend, replace, and break boundaries with code. Learn more at https://wixstudio.com.



Support also comes from the 11,043 kind folks who support freeCodeCamp through a monthly donation. Join these kind folks and help our mission by going to https://www.freecodecamp.org/donate



CORRECTION: I (Quincy) say during the interview that the Uber found a way to access microphones on iOS without users' knowledge. There have been documented cases of malware doing this (like Pegasus) but Uber didn't do this. They did do a lot of other shady things, like continue collecting data even after you deleted their app – but mic spying was not one of them. Yes, early Uber was an ethical tire fire. But it's important to get facts wrong here.



We talk about:



- Why you should still learn CSS in 2025

- How teaching concepts improves your own understanding of them

- How learning to skateboard helped Kevin escape Tutorial Hell

- Massive improvements coming to CSS



Can you guess what song I'm playing in the intro?



Links we talk about during our conversation:



- Kevin's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/kevinpowell



- Original Spacejam website Kevin mentions: https://www.spacejam.com/1996/



- The article that coined the term Responsive Design: https://alistapart.com/article/responsive-web-design/



- Kevin's freeCodeCamp article on how learning skateboarding helped him out of tutorial hell: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-learning-to-skateboard-helped-me-find-a-way-out-of-tutorial-hell/



- Kevin's freeCodeCamp course on building and deploying a portfolio page: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-build-a-portfolio-website-and-deploy-to-digital-ocean/



- Playable Minesweeper in CSS that Quincy mentions: https://codepen.io/bali_balo/pen/BLJONZ



- Acknowledged mistakes that are permanently coded into CSS: https://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/mistakes



- Talk on why is CSS so weird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHUtMbJw8iA



Chapters

0:00:00 Teaser

0:01:03 Musical Intro – Bubble Bobble

0:02:04 Interview Starts

0:04:57 Accessibility in Web Design

0:08:14 Understanding Technical Debt

0:11:01 The Designer-Developer Dynamic

0:14:01 Evolution of CSS: From Tables to Flexbox and Grid

0:20:03 Responsive Design: Adapting to Multiple Devices

0:24:10 The Impact of Mobile Apps on Web Development

0:27:53 Kevin Powell's Journey in CSS

0:32:26 From Hobby to Career: The Journey Begins

0:34:50 Teaching and Transitioning to YouTube

0:41:59 The Growth of a YouTube Channel

0:54:34 Taking the Leap: Leaving Teaching for Content Creation

1:00:11 Learning Through Skateboarding: Overcoming Tutorial Hell

1:03:42 Building Balance in Learning

1:08:47 The Journey of Learning New Skills

1:14:40 Navigating Cognitive Overload

1:20:29 The Complexity of CSS

1:29:59 Teaching Insights from Classroom Experience

1:33:26 The Importance of Design Systems in UI Development

1:36:09 Why Learn CSS and Front-End Design Concepts?

1:40:55 The Evolution and Governance of CSS

1:47:53 Translating Graphic Design Skills to Web Development

1:52:19 The Relevance of CSS in Mobile App Development

1:55:41 The Value of Learning in Public

1:59:06 Navigating Influence and Responsibility in Teaching

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